DisturbedSwan Posted August 14, 2023 Share Posted August 14, 2023 Sounds like Turn 10 have run into the same issues with XSS as Larian reading between the lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one-armed dwarf Posted August 14, 2023 Share Posted August 14, 2023 Based on what DF thinks, the BG3 issue was to do with RAM and the way players can move really far away from each other, with the things it has to keep in memory. It's a systemic limitation with how the game works, at least for the moment. But it's not like BG3 is super well optimised as is, it's got some bits where you really feel it creaking even on a powerful machine and not necessarily in a way that makes sense (spending nearly 30 seconds trying to figure out a single goblin move, for instance). If the forza stuff is purely visual though you'd think they could squeeze it in eventually, assuming its scalable (Sorry, not trying to put BG stuff in every thread but it seemed sort of germane here, with regard to parity clauses and all) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nag Posted August 14, 2023 Share Posted August 14, 2023 Serious question... how much do we actually think split screen is used nowadays... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DANGERMAN Posted August 14, 2023 Share Posted August 14, 2023 I bet Forza is one of those games that it's used more, same for Halo, but yeah, a lot less than when we were kids Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DisturbedSwan Posted August 15, 2023 Share Posted August 15, 2023 Yeah, I doubt its used much nowadays but then none of us are in our teens or early twenties on here so who knows, probably still gets used a fair bit in Uni dorms/houses but there'll most likely not playing the likes of this, more CoD/Fifa and one of them doesn't require split screen. I think it's a no brainer for Xbox, just drop the parity requirement, what's the big deal, shooting themselves in the foot for no real gain. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one-armed dwarf Posted August 15, 2023 Share Posted August 15, 2023 It would be reputationally damaging for them to put out a multi-tiered hardware offering and then say that actually S isn't going to give you the same offerings as they promised. They kinda have to stick with it, I think. Or wait a long while before considering dropping this parity clause Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maryokutai Posted August 15, 2023 Share Posted August 15, 2023 I wonder if the Forza issue is really linked to Series S and I'm saying that despite being of the opinion that this second SKU was a mistake and should never have come out. It can't really be the RAM thing like in BD3 because (correct me if I'm wrong) in a racing game the track has to fit inside the system's RAM no matter whether you're playing solo or splitscreen. And if it's fidelity surely you can just make it look and run like poop to make it work, like Goldeneye on the N64. I think this just boils down to Microsoft in-house studios still having serious issues in the backend. I think the only polished game they've released on Series XS so far has been HiFi Rush and that was made inside a figurative bubble in Japan. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DANGERMAN Posted August 16, 2023 Share Posted August 16, 2023 22 hours ago, Maryokutai said: I wonder if the Forza issue is really linked to Series S and I'm saying that despite being of the opinion that this second SKU was a mistake and should never have come out. It can't really be the RAM thing like in BD3 because (correct me if I'm wrong) in a racing game the track has to fit inside the system's RAM no matter whether you're playing solo or splitscreen. And if it's fidelity surely you can just make it look and run like poop to make it work, like Goldeneye on the N64. I think this just boils down to Microsoft in-house studios still having serious issues in the backend. I think the only polished game they've released on Series XS so far has been HiFi Rush and that was made inside a figurative bubble in Japan. It might dump textures from vram. No point having them for stuff on the opposite side of the track. Split screen means keeping keeping the textures for 2 locations and cars etc in vram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maryokutai Posted August 16, 2023 Share Posted August 16, 2023 But doesn't that circle back to the fidelity question? Use lower-res textures Series S can deal with at the cost of the game looking less impressive. At the end of the day there will never be parity between S and X anyway because otherwise X would be a waste of money for the consumer. It's just a question of how to hide the differences as best as you can. That, or just add rubberband to splitscreen multiplayer on Series S. The kids will love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimboxy Posted August 16, 2023 Share Posted August 16, 2023 I say let it cook until 2024, let Turn 10 figure it out. Definitely not thinking about my Fantasy Critic score Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nag Posted August 16, 2023 Share Posted August 16, 2023 You can shut it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nag Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 Thought this may be of interest to @mfnick and @spatular Quote Forza Motorsport steering wheel compatibility list Console Fanatec ClubSport V1 Fanatec ClubSport V2 Fanatec ClubSport V2.5 Fanatec CSL Fanatec DD1 Fanatec DD2 Fanatec CSL DD HORI Overdrive Logitech G920 Logitech G923 Logitech Pro DD Thrustmaster TX 458 Thrustmaster TX Leather Thrustmaster TMX Thrustmaster TMX Pro Thrustmaster TS-XW Thrustmaster T128 Thrustmaster T248 PC Fanatec ClubSport V1 Fanatec ClubSport V2 Fanatec ClubSport V2.5 Fanatec CSL Fanatec CSR Fanatec CSR Elite Fanatec DD1 Fanatec DD2 Fanatec CSL DD Fanatec GT DD Logitech Driving Force GT Logitech Driving Force Pro Logitech G25 Logitech G27 Logitech G29 Logitech G920 Logitech G923 Logitech MOMO Logitech Pro DD Moza R9 (CS Wheel) Moza R9 (GS Wheel) Thrustmaster RGT Thrustmaster T100 Thrustmaster T500 RS Thrustmaster TX 458 Thrustmaster TX Leather Thrustmaster T300 Ferrari Thrustmaster T300 Ferrari GTE Thrustmaster T300 Ferrari Int Thrustmaster T300 RS Thrustmaster T300 RS GT Thrustmaster 458 Spider Thrustmaster T150 Thrustmaster T150 Pro Thrustmaster TMX Thrustmaster TMX Pro Thrustmaster TS-PC Racer Thrustmaster TS-XW Thrustmaster T128 Thrustmaster T248 Thrustmaster T818 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfnick Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 Nice one, thanks. Mines compatible thank fuck! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DisturbedSwan Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 Mine is too Spoiler Xbox Controller 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spatular Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 Cheers Nag! Mines sort of not listed but im sure itll work anyway. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nag Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 Just looked at an IGN first hands on video on YouTube... literally every comment is stuff like "Driving perfection 7/10" "Best driving simulation ever 7/10" 🤣🤣 Think it'll be a long time before that score fades away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snaggletooth Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 Looking forward to this, comments like the above make me laugh. While I have always been a GT guy I get a little irked by the simcade label that Pc and Driving game snobs have branded gt and forza with as a derogatory term. That being said even i can see those titles are not the best driving sims. But introduce racers to sim world with accessible games. How this new one turns out remains to be seen as i say given im a gt guy always going to be a bit bias, but it cant do much worse than GT7s woeful AI and Rolling starts that turn the game into a driving precession at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DisturbedSwan Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 I think if this is your first one you should have a good time with it, the reason I burnt out on them is I played so many in quick succession (they used to come out every 2 years like clockwork) and they didn't really change from release to release, then they fumbled the ball massively with 5 which was cut back significantly for the XBOne launch. After that I haven't gone back to it, as much as they're launching this like a reboot, everything I've seen is exactly like it always used to be really, it's just another Forza Motorsport, which is no bad thing per se, but if you've as played as many as I have that isn't an exciting prospect anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimboxy Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 I'm excited for it, haven't played a Forza since 3 on the 360 which is one of my all time favourites. Not happy what it may do for my fantasy critic score Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DisturbedSwan Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 Reviews OpenCritic Metacritic (XSX Version) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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