Nag Posted September 30, 2024 Share Posted September 30, 2024 Zero cars are putting CD players in them anymore either... I miss that way more than game discs.😠Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfnick Posted September 30, 2024 Share Posted September 30, 2024 The gaming laptop we bought years ago didn’t. But I’d say it’s a much bigger deal on consoles. For one, backwards compatibility. On PS4 I’m pretty sure discs were still the main way people bought games up until near the end of the gen. But mainly, the PC doesn’t have a monopoly on the store where you buy the games. Sure Steam is the main way but there are other store fronts and code generators. On consoles, especially PlayStation, there is literally no other way if you’re digital only. Leading to things like Horizon Zero Dawn doubling in price when the remaster is announced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shinymcshine Posted September 30, 2024 Share Posted September 30, 2024 Do they put in BC as a convenience for the players, or just to ensnare your brand loyalty though.....??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DANGERMAN Posted September 30, 2024 Share Posted September 30, 2024 1 hour ago, shinymcshine said:  Suppose a comparator is - if I buy an off the shelf gaming laptop (or even desktop) does it even come with a default Blu-ray/dvd drive anymore, as I think they've been optional extras for a good while already !?!? Yeah, as @mfnicksaid, there's no many more options on pc, it's an actual open market. Even if a game is only on Steam there's likely multiple places to buy that too (Maf has recently discovered CDKeys for example)  Plus, it's just earned the trust. I used to still buy physical on pc where I could, I don't give it a thought now. Whereas I'm currently locked out of my 360 account, the Wii, and 3DS eshops have gone etc and so on 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shinymcshine Posted September 30, 2024 Share Posted September 30, 2024 I can certainly see the consumer viewpoint of wanting to retain physical media for consoles, but from an industry perspective they benefit greatly by removing the option - and therefore unfortunately it's only a matter of time before they remove it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfnick Posted September 30, 2024 Share Posted September 30, 2024 Also, look at this shit. Its a 3 year old game ow has it not had a permanent discount?  There’s loads of examples like this too. Ghost of Tsushima is £70 and that’s 4 years old (5 if you count the OG PS4 release). Bullshit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shinymcshine Posted September 30, 2024 Share Posted September 30, 2024 @mfnick - again the industry don't want to incentivise you into buying the game, they'd likely rather you sign up to an enduring subscription ('free' with PS+) and that you never actually 'own' anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one-armed dwarf Posted September 30, 2024 Share Posted September 30, 2024 Ghost is 60 euro on Steam right now, director's cut. Big enough difference, still holding off until a sale on that one tho, I've spent too much money this month.  I wonder about the PS plus point, it seemed like that was the idea with gamepass but then that product got more expensive and worse. Maybe it's way harder to try and pull that with video games than with films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sly Reflex Posted September 30, 2024 Author Share Posted September 30, 2024 3 hours ago, Nag said: Don't you have graphic cards that cost well over a grand on their own nowadays?... I'd say they escalated pretty well.😉 Oh for sure. The prices can get pretty scandalous. But it can also do more. But the difference is when it's fucked I can take it out and replace it. When a console is fucked, it's a paperweight. 43 minutes ago, one-armed dwarf said: Ghost is 60 euro on Steam right now, director's cut. Big enough difference, still holding off until a sale on that one tho, I've spent too much money this month.  I wonder about the PS plus point, it seemed like that was the idea with gamepass but then that product got more expensive and worse. Maybe it's way harder to try and pull that with video games than with films. It's 40 notes on key places. CDKeys in this example.  It's very rare I buy directly through steam now. There's plenty of respectable places that will flog you a key for a fraction of the price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one-armed dwarf Posted September 30, 2024 Share Posted September 30, 2024 There's a (admittedly small) risk with CD keys that they send you a used code, and you have to go through their customer service to sort that. Additionally I just sort of like the built in thing with steam where you have 2 hours to claim a refund if something is a pile of shit. Although I don't think that it's something you can do in perpetuity and they take notice if you're taking the piss.  CD keys is also sort of a gray area as they get keys that cheap through buying them in different regions from what I recall. Though ultimately this doesn't actually matter on the receiving end I guess. But it makes me wonder how long it will be an option.  Much better than something like G2A tho, which in the past has issued keys that were straight up stolen and developers were actually asking people to pirate their games instead, cause it cost the devs less that way. That stuff makes me wary in general tho about key resellers  (fwiw I did use CD keys recently for Wukong. Wish I went through steam for that one tho, I thought it was crap) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sly Reflex Posted September 30, 2024 Author Share Posted September 30, 2024 Never had an issue ever with humble, greenman, fanatical et al. I once had an issue where the cdkeys website crashed and charged me but I got no keys, sent them a screenshot and a reference number and it was sorted by a person in 10 minutes or something. I was really surprised, I thought it was going to take forever. Â I have never used the less than reputable places. It's just not worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metroid66 Posted September 30, 2024 Share Posted September 30, 2024 Personally I think I've bought my last (non Nintendo) console. I can justify a mid level pc build (the 1200-1400 quid mark) and that's it. I don't need Sony games to look any better than they already do on my base ps5 but, in any case, their games are going to pc anyway.  I've already started experimenting with pc gaming on this old computer we use as a cubase studio. Signed up to a couple of shopfronts, found out I already had a Steam account tied to my email (my kids, definitely) with 4 GTA games in my library, bought prince of Persia 2008 for a nicker on cdkeys and played it on the ubi platform. It was great at 20fps😄 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nag Posted September 30, 2024 Share Posted September 30, 2024 58 minutes ago, Sly Reflex said: But the difference is when it's fucked I can take it out and replace it. When a console is fucked, it's a paperweight.  That's literally the exact same position in either case you numpty... you'd either get a repair or replacement through warranty or pay for a repair/replacement if it’s out of warranty... both machines would be paperweights in any case and the graphics card would still cost more.😋 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one-armed dwarf Posted September 30, 2024 Share Posted September 30, 2024 You can run a PC without a graphics card*, and if you have an old one you can put that in during the meanwhile. The PC is modular and can still be used, don't lose files and applications and games and their settings if you've not backed things up  *If your cpu has an integrated graphics chip. Most do, some weird ones dont Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nag Posted September 30, 2024 Share Posted September 30, 2024 Oh come on... that just sounds like goal post moving. I could plug in my PS4 and play some games if I still had it... I could stream some of my Xbox library while the console is being repaired too. I wouldn't but the option is there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sly Reflex Posted October 1, 2024 Author Share Posted October 1, 2024 17 hours ago, Nag said:  That's literally the exact same position in either case you numpty... you'd either get a repair or replacement through warranty or pay for a repair/replacement if it’s out of warranty... both machines would be paperweights in any case and the graphics card would still cost more.😋 Yeah, it's one part. With your console you're throwing the baby out with the bathwater. The two are not even remotely comparable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one-armed dwarf Posted October 1, 2024 Share Posted October 1, 2024 This really depends on what you're trying to compare here, specifically what the use case of the PC and PS5 are here. If your high end GPU dies and has to get replaced out of warranty then yeah, that's going to cost a lot more on PC. That part is worse than with consoles where it's much cheaper. Unless it's a low end card, it's more expensive to replace than a PS5. This is a real concern also when you look at the issues with melting power cables on 4090s and stuff, and now bad Nvidia are at recognising if the problem might be on their side, rather than users.  But chucking in an older, different part, or just run integrated graphics, is an example of the independence of PC building. That's flexibility is an advantage it has over consoles, and is good also if you use that system for things other than gaming cause you don't lose a bunch of stuff that you might if a console eats shit. Like, if you use a PS5 for netflix, you can't if it dies. If you use a PC for multimedia stuff, you can still use it without a GPU. You get continuity of access to your gaming library and it's much better than streaming, or going to a last gen PS4 which can't play PS5 games. Unlike a PC which could play modern games at lower settings and probably be ok  There's also the aspect of e-waste. If one part of a PS5 dies, you tend to chuck the whole thing out. If one part of a PC goes, you can still probably keep the rest. Unless it's an absolute disaster and the PSU takes everything with it.  I don't think you can declare one as objectively better than the other, but modularity is a good one to have with PC and pointing it out isn't shifting goalposts and calling it a paperweight without a GPU is objectively wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spatular Posted October 1, 2024 Share Posted October 1, 2024 17 hours ago, one-armed dwarf said: *If your cpu has an integrated graphics chip. Most do, some weird ones dont  probably true now i don't know, but a lot of older ryzen don't have built in graphics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one-armed dwarf Posted October 1, 2024 Share Posted October 1, 2024 To be honest, i don't know the situation with int graphics on current cpus so if it's gotten rarer then nag has a point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nag Posted October 1, 2024 Share Posted October 1, 2024 2 hours ago, Sly Reflex said: Yeah, it's one part. With your console you're throwing the baby out with the bathwater. The two are not even remotely comparable.  Don't agree but whatever... this doesn't need to turn in to yet another console vs PC dick waving contest... 😀 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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