Artificial Intelligence

[mmmark]

AI news and information thread isn’t it. 
 

They made a George Carlin special using AI. His daughter is understandably not happy and apparently it’s not good.

 

 

[DANGERMAN]

It's an interesting idea, and an interesting person to try it with, but purely as an experiment, not actually as anything more than that 

[Maf]

Here is a video made from AI. I think the idea is the cat is real and everything else is fake

 

Yeah this is the weirdest “human” I’ve ever seen. It’s not just uncanny valley it’s like a monster pretending to be a human but deforms in real time

 

I find this hard to watch. It’s really gross

 

So you must also see it. Share my pain 

[Maryokutai]

The cat has three front legs, so I hope for its sake that it's fake as well.

 

But yeah, this is not cool. We already know how fast and efficiently misinformation can spread through text and a bit of Photoshop, but this would bring it to an entirely new level.

[one-armed dwarf]

This isn't the same thing but I saw someone say they should go and remaster Deep Space 9 with AI but it had this same sort of 'wavey' look whenever you look at creases in people's faces. Certain lines being too dark, and skin being too smooth. Detail being removed so that the final image is 'more sharp' and higher resolution, and hallucinating bullshit that isn't there.

 

I kinda worry at some point rights holders will stop putting in effort with restoring old films and will hit it with the fuck ugly stick of AI cause it's cheaper. They're already doing that with James Cameron's films (pre order Aliens soon!)

 

https://www.joblo.com/true-lies-gets-a-controversial-4k-upgrade/

 

This stuff will be built into our TVs at some point and it will become the new motion smoothing, people going to their folks over Christmas and sneakily turning off the option which turns people's faces into fever dreams

[mmmark]

2 hours ago, Maf said:

Here is a video made from AI. I think the idea is the cat is real and everything else is fake

 

Yeah this is the weirdest “human” I’ve ever seen. It’s not just uncanny valley it’s like a monster pretending to be a human but deforms in real time

 

I find this hard to watch. It’s really gross

 

So you must also see it. Share my pain 

Holy shit, that is shit. 

[Sly Reflex]

The hand just clipping through the blanket like it's a Bethesda game.  

[Maf]

The thing that really grosses me out is the girl’s nose/mouth area. It’s so weird. 
 

There’s lots of this video which is clearly broken (although I actually didn’t really pay attention to the cat) but the ‘girl’ is fucking gross. That is so wrong and creepy 

[HandsomeDead]

Love the red nose like a drunk anime character.

 

There's a lot of reasons why there is a tension between product and art but I'm hoping the worst doesn't happen in the future and it all just becomes product.  It's so sad even a few people want this.

[one-armed dwarf]

If AI scenes work themselves into the making of films then I'm just going to have to set a cut off point where I stop watching movies made after a certain year.

 

I already have my hangups with that digital de-aging shit Scorsese used in The Irishman. But at least a human is performing those scenes

[Maf]

I’ve changed my mind, AI can’t get here fast enough 

[HandsomeDead]

Wargames lied to us

 

[Maf]

I’m not going to post it 1) because the forum doesn’t like Twitter anymore and 2) it’s some of the most disgusting things I’ve seen. But there’s a clip of a gymnast made by AI and whoa. So gross

 

The other thing I was thinking about is even though AI will kill a lot of jobs in art and photography, shouldn’t it make the real art have more value? If someone did a AI version of the Mona Lisa it wouldn’t be worth anything. 
 

Even though there is a danger to jobs in art because of AI, and I don’t see a way around it companies will just take the cheapest options. But I would think for certain artists, graphic designers, photographers, etc, shouldn’t it increase the value of what they do? At least after AI gets really good and peaks, won’t what happens after is a new market is created for real art and the value will be sky high

[shinymcshine]

Maybe the NFT thing (where it was assumed that they'd escalate in value due to unique ownership, but ultimately didn't) signalled that technology doesn't necessarily drive the market ?

[Maryokutai]

There are so many different scenarios to evaluate the value of art that I find it hard to really come up with an answer. The work for some illustrator is obviously not going to rise in value because those are the guys who are most affected by AI usage and if companies wanted to pay for their service in the first place they wouldn't look towards AI now. (Sidenote but we recently produced our first flyer made entirely by AI and I'm not high enough on the food chain to veto that crap. I hate everything about it. It also looks shit IMO.) 

 

On the other hand, art purely driven by itself in the most classic sense (on print or a canvas being sold to fans and connoisseurs) is already struggling anyway because people can't afford big places with empty space and wide walls anymore. This could effectively increase value because it becomes something more exclusive, like we're almost moving backwards to where only the modern equivalents of the monarchy and church can afford it. But I'm not sure if AI is a deciding factor here.

[shinymcshine]

I'd imagine the biggest impact will be at the low/mid level of the artist skills market* - where AI created images will deflate prices at that end (where companies will accept AI images for marketing purposes, concept outlines, even animations etc) thus reducing income to those areas.

 

What's unclear is how AI imagery will be regulated in terms of IP, where if you use a different AI service provider and the image generated is quite similar to one produced by another company's AI.

 

Do they then go into shades of colour, or counting pixels to see if they are different ? Can 'machine learning' effectively prevent this from happening, but is anyone forced to apply that criteria ?

 

 

*Based on income level not necessarily artistic aptitude

[DANGERMAN]

I think you'll see products use it a lot. It's probably useful to spec out something, like "I want to see our product in a family kitchen" type stuff. I could then see retailers using that sort of stuff being used by retailers. That's not art, but it's work a lot of photographers will be doing currently 

[Jimboxy]

Not art related, but I've been using Microsoft Copilot a fair bit in my new job. I've got to write a load of Powershell for various automation tasks as part of software deployments. I've got a decent working knowledge of powershell, but far from fluent, basically a lot of googling to get new stuff done. Anyway, I stuck into co-pilot a rough outline of what I wanted my script to do and it wrote it for me, it wasn't quite right but it was a good starting point. I then kept reprompting it with corrections and alterations until I got the script where it needed to be. It's pretty amazing from a coding perspective that you can effectively code in natural language and it'll convert that into the language you want it to be. It makes mistakes so you need to know what you're doing still, but impressive none the less

[one-armed dwarf]

I've been doing that also, not with powershell but other stuff

 

Feels sort of dirty, but it's shockingly useful compared to how bad google search is cause you can sort of interrogate the answer it gives you and get other answers which are contextually relevant to things already asked

 

edit not with copilot but chatgpt

[Maf]

I feel like AI used as a tool that helps people work, makes difficult jobs easier, etc is great and AI should be used for that. I also think there’s certain filed like medicine, science, technology where take the cap off and let AI advance those things as much as possible is also great

 

The problem is that companies will want to use it as a human replacement. I remember a year ago there was a BT boss who said by 2030 they think they can replace the entire call/support centre with AI

 

i think governments should create laws where companies are not allowed to replace a person’s job purely with AI. If they bring AI in to the work processes in a significant way they should show how it’s there to streamline processes and aid the already existing workforce

 

But you know that either A) companies will only hire AI technicians to sit there and check it’s correct all day. Or B ) they’ll be a company like Russia that says fuck that and all the companies relocate there so they don’t have to employ a workforce.

 

Ultimately I think AI will do to most kinds of work what machines did to factories and leave a lot of people without skills and just standing in place pressing a button all day and the be at the beck and call of the machine