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having never tried it i am a bit wary of the frame generation stuff especially this new one where they're using so many ai generated frames, be interesting to give it a go at some point and see what reviews make of it.

  • 2 weeks later...
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The one, key, advantage the 4090 has over the 5090 is at least you can fucking buy one

 

 Also watched a bit of the DF review on the 5090 today. It is soundly better from what I can tell, but also a bit disappointing? A 5090 runs Cyberpunk 4K native with full RT at about 30fps. Now I understand realistically you would always use DLSS or something but the point is i thought it would be more impressive than that? It seems like the current way they make their graphics cards is big diminishing returns? I guess they don’t care because DLSS is their baby and they want you to use it. And it’s great, and that’s fine. But a 4090 already runs Cyberpunk 4K upscaled full RT at over 100fps so…why? Just to get 200fps?
 

Huge, raw, horse power upgrade still needs AI for good performance - but the AI is turning a 100fps game to a 200fps game which seems redundant?
 

I didn’t watch the whole video. But this is what it looked like to me.

 

DF also put out a video about the upcoming improvements in things like more complex Ray tracing and other stuff they saw at CES. Maybe when that stuff is released the 5090 makes more sense but right now it looks like nearly £2000 for an extra 100 AI generated frames. 
 

You can tell by the way I talk about it this is not something I know very well. Maybe I missed something but this is how it struck me 

  • 2 weeks later...
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Saw this on resetera, 5090 might also have that issue 4090 had with its cables getting melted

 

Like maybe it's an isolated event, I dunno. But why the fuck don't they just use normal pcie cables rather than these tiny things pushing infinity gauntlet levels of power through it

 

 

edit having watched the whole vid the data and analysis is super thorough and makes it hard to not see it as anybody's fault but nvidia, with the 5090 and the 4090

 

They just seem to be like Teflon tho and fob all the criticisms off so hopefully this gathers momentum (but doesn't burn down homes in the process)

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I don't know, objectively speaking, how much this matters and how much can be handled by the CPU nowadays. But the 50xx series dropped hardware support for Physx, the physics hardware that nvidia used to use to give them a competitive edge over AMD. I remember we were talking about it not long ago when maf got his 3080 and was playing Batman or something that had it on for smoke effects

 

https://www.resetera.com/threads/rtx-50-series-gpus-have-dropped-support-for-32-bit-physx-many-older-pc-games-are-impacted-mirrors-edge-borderlands-etc.1111698/

 

I'm trying to think of games I've used it on, I'm sure that the last Metro game had it as an option and that only came out in 2019, so not old at all. But it got used more heavily in the late 00s to early 10s on PC I think

 

edit shit like this gif looks like it belongs in the next gen, not in the one from 2 gens ago

 

edit 2 in that thread I just linked, someone compared the physx performance of Cryostasis on a 4090 v 5090, with 40 doing like >100fps and 50 doing 13. So yeah, you just can't brute force it with CPU even now, it needs graphics hardware acceleration. Shit form by nvidia as it goes against one of the coolest parts of upgrading your PC, running older yet demanding stuff even better

 

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The regression of Physics stuff like that for canned animation stuff is one of the most disappointing things that’s happened with new hardware. I always dreamt of extra power being used to create more destructable environments akin to Red Faction Guerilla in more games. Instead the opposite has happened. 

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Yeah, physics objects are so cool. One thing that Control was really cool with, that you could destroy the fuck out of an entire office. Made last gen performance a bit jank but was worth it imo

 

That physx stuff is on another level though, looking at that water simulation stuff on some games. Modern stuff doesn't go anywhere close to that.

  • 2 weeks later...
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These could be good? see how the reviews pan out, hopefully the dlss equivalent is good. At the rrp the xt will apparently be the only one worth getting but the ~300w is higher than id like.

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4090 has warped my mind when it comes to what an acceptable TDP is, feels like I'm a Cyberpunk playthrough away from burning my house down. I hope as we've hit a hardware plateau that AMD close the gap a lot in RT and upscaling, cause the frame gen stuff doesn't matter to me but these other things do.

 

Not watched this video but apparently from reading online the 5070 is a poor upgrade option. Worse performance than 4070 Super in some games, which makes no sense

 

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Yeah the 5070 is getting bad reviews, but for me I think it would be the only choice for an nvidia card, and a good upgrade to be fair, as it depends what you’re coming from, in my case a 2070super. Previous gen price reductions like getting a cheap 4070 would be my preference but that never seems to happen much for nvidia stuff.

 

im hoping the same about amd catching up, they’re behind in efficiency too, not really commenting on what a reasonable tdp is, although the lower the better, more that my psu is 650w so it’s on the edge, 9070 reviews will be tomorrow apparently, seeing the actual power usage and if the new upscaling/rt is any good will be interesting, based on that I might try and get one. Although haven’t been playing demanding stuff on pc recently so could just keep waiting.

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Reviews are pretty good for the 9070xt, rt and upscaling much improved although still not as good as nvidia, standard performance is nearly up with a 5070ti which costs a lot more. Might try and get one later, but it’s still a lot of money so not sure.

 

 

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they probably release even more than it seems, like the 9700x or whatever might get released, then later a 9700 with little to no fanfare, and laptop cpu's etc.

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Nvidia suck, I remember arguments about all this proprietary stuff they do with their GPUs and this seems like the kind of consequence you would predict

 

Course we're part of the problem if we keep buying these feckin things

  • 4 weeks later...
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Been slowly upgrading the pc over the last 5 months or so, replaced a lot more parts than I planned to, it’s nearly a whole new pc. Psu changed over last night, that should be the end of it.

 

i got 32gb (2x16) ram upgrade, and had 16gb (2x8) previously, they are not exactly the same specs but very close, both run on the same xmp settings ok, there’s lots of varying info about having 4 sticks of ram, sometimes it can be faster (if they’re all exactly the same), 4 sticks can sometimes cause problems and you might have to run them slower, and as mine are different sizes I don’t know if that might also make it slower. So I gave it a try and with minimal testing didn’t find any difference between running the new 32gb, or all of it for 48gb, in cyberpunk anyway.

 

also upgraded the cpu to a 5700x3d, new cpu cooler, gfx to 9070xt.

  • 2 weeks later...
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Don’t know what DANGERMANs reasoning is but I’ve been trying to buy a graphics card recently - There’s some negative stuff around the 5070 but as far as I can see there isn’t a lot available in its price range so it’s not a bad buy at rrp right now imo, it’s a bad time to buy graphics cards in general unfortunately, stock shortages and high prices, I ended up paying a bit over the odds for mine not sure it’ll be worth it, maybe should have gone for a 5070 too.

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22 hours ago, Maf said:

What made you go with a 5070 @DANGERMAN

sorry, didn't get chance to reply yesterday. Largely what Spatular said. The only real knock against it, as I understood, was the vram being 12gb, and the price. The price has dropped, the reviews for the 5060ti were saying the 5070 was the better choice

 

From a personal point of view, while I'm no fan of Nvidea, there's benefits to their software. I play at 1440p, I don't expect the relative lack of vram to be an issue for quite a while, especially as if the framerate does drop then I'm going to be turning on DLSS, and I'm not tied to having all the ray tracing on.

 

Basically, this card should have so much overhead that whatever the complaints, it's going to be more than enough to last for years for me, and it's not like I'm going to feel like I really should have spent another £500+ to get the 5080 instead

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