OCH Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 I was speaking to a friend not too long ago about something similar. But his idea was a merger between Xbox and Sega. Which could be a really fun platform. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HandsomeDead Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 It's possible that was on the cards at some point. If those exclusives SEGA made for the OG Xbox did better it would have been a real possibility. But they didn't really and their multiplatform titles did better on other systems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCH Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 Considering Xbox filled the vacuum left by Sega. Their output really wasn't aimed at the same audience. Hence why they likely continue to struggle gaining a foothold in Japan. A successor to the Dreamcast, helmed by the two companies. Could have been a game changer though. What with how ahead of it's time the Dreamcast was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DANGERMAN Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 yeah, I never got the "Xbox is Dreamcast 2" line of thought. It got a few Sega games, but so did the Gamecube and PS2, with Super Monkey Ball probably being the most Dreamcast feeling game of everything from that period, followed by Billy Hatcher 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCH Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 Aside from playing SF 2, I had a quick dabble with the various games on offer via the Mega Drive Switch app. It reminded me how much I appreciated Sega during the 16-Bit era. I think, aside from them, the last console that had a 'try everything and let's see what sticks' approach was probably the PSOne (or N64). A level of variety that I do miss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one-armed dwarf Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 AI voice getting good, even with the flatness of affect in the delivery of course that is Trump's main Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sly Reflex Posted March 1, 2023 Author Share Posted March 1, 2023 I hate that I laughed at some of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one-armed dwarf Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 Yoshi P said something about the 'JRPG' genre in some interview* recently, and then lots of these xplay clips started to surface Damn, 2006 feels a lot longer ago now lol *(context for the yoshi p bit, nobody send him links to this forum pls: https://kotaku.com/ff16-yoshi-p-jrpg-square-enix-yoshida-previews-ps5-1850169822 ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HandsomeDead Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 The way games have been categorised over time is stupid, I mean we still unironically use the term 'metroidvania'. It's just shorthand but language does affect our perception of things (shout out to Arrival) It does mean that there is an othering with JRPGs. Yoshi P just thinks he makes RPGs and cultural trends are going to dictate how that is done but no other genre has this kind of distinction baked into how we talk about them to this extent. I don't have an answer to how they should be talked about because it happens communally but it's worth considering the whole thing. Oof to that video, tho. It was so common. The 'those crazy Japanese are at it' was so much a thing, and not even always in a derogatory way, and I'm guilty of it too. It did hold the potential of games back as certain subjects and gameplay types were seen as 'weird' when they didn't need to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DANGERMAN Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 I take his point, the "genre" has moved on that even when used in the best possible sense 'JRPG' probably does simplify most of the games it's used for. At the same time, there are certain tropes that repeat a lot so it's not a bad shorthand all the time I don't know, maybe because I'd never mean it with any sort of disrespect, I do think Japanese games have a certain character to them, I don't really see it as being mean spirited Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCH Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 Japanese games of most genres typically differentiate themselves from Western equivalents. Killer7 or Freak Out (PS2) being chief examples that come to mind of games/concepts that just don't exist elsewhere. That said, I don't find myself using the term "RPG" in itself, as a descriptive. I think it both too broad and not descriptive enough. JRPG, SRPG, ARPG, OWRPG etc The prefix I find is how you know what kind you're getting. So to that end, I just identify 'JRPG' as a genre term. Nothing beyond that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one-armed dwarf Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 In the vast majority of cases these days I don't think it's really used in a negative sense, or at least it's taken to imply turn based RPG. It's gotten very redundant nowadays tho, and pretty much obsolete tbh. Elden Ring is a japanese RPG. tbh I think a lot of the term's use comes from the period where a lot of PC RPGs started to get console releases for the first time, whenever that was (maybe XBOX Morrowind). Cause up to that point I know for me I just assumed 'RPG' meant a turn based game like Pokemon or FFVII. Then there was a flood of releases doing things that earlier gens of console RPG couldn't even imagine, cause they didn't have the RAM or whatever. So these subgenres became more widely used I think, and 'console RPG/JRPG' got quickly identified as dated rubbish, and tbh to a degree that impression was vindicated at first by how Japan studios struggled in the early HD era. We had to wait so long for FFXIII, Versus XIII got cancelled, in fact I think there was a lot of 'JRPG' around that time that failed to launch, Mistwalker had one or two I think The Phil Fish moment definitely was a point at which it started to feel really overt though. Like it's one thing to have a strong preference but another entirely when industry figures start saying another country's output fucking suck. You can find some quotes like that from bioware people as well It's cool to see all these Game of Thrones and Witcher stylings in Final Fantasy, no reason why a Japanese game can't feel very 'western' in style, and also not feel like a game for adolescents. That said, I miss the older ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCH Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 That said, the first few FF's and Dragon Quest games had that high fantasy setting in the 80's. The representative graphics just weren't "there" yet. Although DQ has stuck to the setting ala Witcher and GoT, from start to finish. FF didn't IE FF1 ends with a paradoxical time travel plot. Then again, take the SRPG for example. I wouldn't separate Disgaea from Front Mission or Final Fantasy Tactics. Although the adventures of Laharl et al are a lot more anime influenced than their contemporaries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HandsomeDead Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 It may not be othering in a negative way but it's othering none the less anyway. Like the Yakuza games are RPGs but they don't get the JRPG label (others exist, FromSoft games, I'd argue Pokémon doesn't have the JRPG baggage). It's like a JRPG is a certain type of game that gets put over there by broader audiences to be dismissed unless you're a fan of the games. I don't think it happens as much now but that point in the early HD era it happened a lot despite Japanese RPGs getting kinda wild and different and those that did break out just sort of not largely thought of as JRPGs unless you really force yourself to think about it and go "yeah, I guess it is technically a JRPG". It's like the term is game jail and you don't want to end up in there. I think that's the kind of dynamic Yoshi P is talking about. It's a nebulas thing but I think it's a noticeable behaviour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCH Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 Shining Force 1 Who didn't see this coming? I've had another rough week or so, health-wise. So I decided on something not too taxing IE both retro and something I don't really need to pay much attention to. Now, I'm not going to make a thread about this. I'm not going to mention it again in fact, until I complete it. Because in somewhat of a surprise to me, it just isn't very good. Mechanically even less intuitive (as you'd expect with the first game in any series). The character designs are a bit bland and so far - two chapters in - the overall plot is so generic I'm actually a little frustrated by it. I first played the GBA remake of this years ago. Clearly a lot of QoL improvements were made, that I didn't appreciate at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DANGERMAN Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 yeah, the GBA remake is the better version, but I played the Mega Drive version a few years back and still really enjoyed it I've never actually finished 2, so I should get on that as a Steam Deck game or something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DANGERMAN Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 not that I want to encourage more remakes, but it's occurred to me Bioshock would really benefit from ray tracing. There's loads of glass for reflections, there's lots of set pieces involving lights, plus the light the Big Daddy's emit from their helmets could be really creepy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sly Reflex Posted March 18, 2023 Author Share Posted March 18, 2023 I wonder how many jumps would be ruined by giving the jump away with reflections and shadows etc being there that were not there originally? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HandsomeDead Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 There's a lot of unexplored ideas in current tech, they need to chill out. It takes multiple, huge underpaid studios to make games now. That really needs to be accepted. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DANGERMAN Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 it probably is worth mentioning that I'm not a videogame publisher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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