Maf Posted October 24, 2024 Share Posted October 24, 2024 I take it all back Lost Crown had to die for Rayman to live Lost Crown is dead long live the Lost Crown or something I dunno https://www.eurogamer.net/ubisoft-confirms-new-rayman-project-currently-in-the-exploration-phase-following-reports-of-a-remake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfnick Posted October 24, 2024 Share Posted October 24, 2024 Prepare for them to be shut down after “disappointing” sales when it’s not the biggest thing ever as well then. Cant nurture talent and dev groups anymore. The Lost Crown team could easily have ended up making a 5-10 million+ seller with 10/10s everywhere in future if given the chance. Imagine if a company like From was owned by one of these scumbag companies. It would have been shut down years ago before it had a chance to make something like Elden Ring. More I’ve been thinking about it more angry I get. Just like I did with Tango. Fuck these big publishers. Genuinely hate them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maf Posted October 24, 2024 Share Posted October 24, 2024 It is weird that something like For Honor which has been supported and still gets new content 400 years after release, or that Skull & Bones got all that time in development just for no one to care, and it was obvious no one cared, right off the bat And yet Lost Crown had 1 year to make impact, it didn’t and it’s done. On the positive side seemingly all the devs kept their jobs and they did see Lost Crown through all its DLC. And we probably getting Rayman. So not the worst But the overall decision making at Ubi does seem very bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maryokutai Posted October 24, 2024 Share Posted October 24, 2024 Lost Crown wasn't made by some new team at UbiSoft though. From what I understand it was mostly the same people that did Rayman Origins and Rayman Legends under Michel Ancel before he left, so it's not really a case of not nurturing talent. Though I absolutely agree that this is not the kind of team you should disband, they've obviously proven themselves multiple time. Legends was an incredibly unfortunate release because it got über-screwed by the WiiU flopping hard. It probably amassed a good numbers of sales throughout the years, but not when it mattered, and it seems that's pretty much the same thing that happened to PoP now. What I don't understand is the whole Rayman Remake thing. I doubt it's 2 or 3 considering they're 3D, but the first one is so far away from what the series has evolved into that a remake might as well just be a new game. But with how stuff is currently going at UbiSoft you have to wonder with news like this if those games will even come out anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maf Posted October 24, 2024 Share Posted October 24, 2024 The thing is a lot of these “remakes” are new games in the frame work of the old game. It like the Joker movie where it’s not really a comic book movie but they have to dress it up as one to get the green light. A lot of today’s remakes aren’t quite as blatant lie as that. But if they remake the first Rayman, my guess it will just be a new game with some familiar level aesthetic Which actually the first Rayman sucks. It was a good looking game but it controlled like shit and was too hard. Rayman 2 was the first good one. There’s no further point to that comment. Just don’t often get the chance to say Rayman is cool but that first game was dreadful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfnick Posted October 25, 2024 Share Posted October 25, 2024 18 hours ago, Maryokutai said: From what I understand it was mostly the same people that did Rayman Origins and Rayman Legends under Michel Ancel before he left, so it's not really a case of not nurturing talent. Fair enough. Explains why Lost Crown was so brilliant then. Just heard this sold around 1 million copies! Dont know what Ubi are expecting but a 2D Metroidvania at £35 a pop selling a million is damn good going. They’re insane if they were expecting loads more. Only Nintendo could beat that with a Metroid at that price point IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maryokutai Posted October 25, 2024 Share Posted October 25, 2024 It's a somewhat recognisable name and it came out on basically every system, so I can see why they might have been targeting more than that. Realistically speaking it sounds okay though I think, Metroid Dread eventually ended up at 3.5 or something like that, which is peanuts numbers for Nintendo of course but also puts into perspective the unfortunate limited appeal (almost) full price 2D games have these days. Unless they're called Mario obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfnick Posted October 25, 2024 Share Posted October 25, 2024 2 minutes ago, Maryokutai said: Metroid Dread eventually ended up at 3.5 or something like that & that’s Metroid which is exactly my point. If that’s only just getting to 3.5 eventually there’s no way POP would have done that. Ridiculous expectations as usual. I guarantee it still made a decent profit, just not enough to please the fat cats at the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maf Posted October 25, 2024 Share Posted October 25, 2024 But also, also Dread is only on 1 platform. They might be looking at that and saying well if we’re on all of them.. I’m not fighting I’m just saying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfnick Posted October 25, 2024 Share Posted October 25, 2024 That doesn’t count with Nintendo 1st party on Switch though really. Sales of those games usually easily surpass most other multi format releases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sly Reflex Posted October 25, 2024 Share Posted October 25, 2024 People are buying a Nintendo platform to play stuff like Dread. It's the whole reason for buying into that platform. That's not the case with PoP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HandsomeDead Posted October 26, 2024 Share Posted October 26, 2024 PoP didn't come to Steam until about 6 months later (it was just Uplay initially). Thats the biggest issue. If it was there when it was most talked about it would have done better. And if you've already waited 6 months you may as well wait a bit longer for a sale. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maryokutai Posted October 26, 2024 Share Posted October 26, 2024 I see that mentioned a lot and while it certainly is a mistake leaving out Steam, I doubt it would have moved the needle. As a multiplatform cross-gen game this was available to hundreds of millions even without PC. Potential audience size wasn't the issue here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfnick Posted October 30, 2024 Share Posted October 30, 2024 Just heard a WoW mount priced at £60 (!!!!!) Is selling really well and even some people are saying it’s a bargain. Looked it up and sounds like it’s true. We don’t deserve good things. I fucking despair. This hobby is fucked. https://www.eurogamer.net/blizzard-is-selling-a-60-mount-in-world-of-warcraft-which-some-fans-say-is-a-bargain 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maryokutai Posted October 30, 2024 Share Posted October 30, 2024 I sometimes wish I could hop into an alternate timeline where nobody bought the horse armour in Oblivion just to see if stuff like this also happened over there. I know it's apples and oranges but when you then look at PoP flopping which cost less than this despite being a complete, standalone game – yeah, the industry is very much shaped by its consumers. DRM/online-only is probably the only thing people haven't actively encouraged but there's significantly less pushback happening about that in recent times as well. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nag Posted October 30, 2024 Share Posted October 30, 2024 Tbf that WoW thing sounds like something maf would buy...😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one-armed dwarf Posted October 30, 2024 Share Posted October 30, 2024 I mean it's definitely apples and oranges, WoW is big cause it is super successful at capturing and holding onto people's attention not cause people spend higher than RRP of most games for a cosmetic. Not that I'm defending the principle of this thing, it's shit, but it feels like missing the forest for the trees in terms of getting to the issue of why the the industry isn't in a great place. I don't even think horse armour sold that well anyway, and Oblivion's Shivering Isles expansion is an exemplar in terms of its quality and value. The thing with WoW is that it's the type of game where if someone plays it, it's all they play. Once you get into the pipeline of an MMO you might find an odd side effect where you actually spend way less money on gaming, despite playing a game with a subscription. Cause they are like an omni-game and they have a social component to them as well, which can then also take place outside the game and IRL for some people. The mount there is clearly exploitative, but it's not like it's diverting money from other games that are starved for attention cause the spending potential of people buying things like this could probably stomach a game like PoP as well. But they aren't interested in playing PoP, no matter how much it costs See also FortNite, and the failure of Concord to get any part of that pie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sly Reflex Posted October 30, 2024 Share Posted October 30, 2024 A bit back in WoW there was a mount that was bought for a lot of money (real life, not in game gold) and the community in the game used the /spit emote to spit on people that bought this mount so much that they removed /spit from the game to "combat toxicity". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shinymcshine Posted October 30, 2024 Share Posted October 30, 2024 So the moral there was that toxic capitalism was okay, but any reaction again it wasn't.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfnick Posted October 30, 2024 Share Posted October 30, 2024 There’s no defence or reasoni no for a mount costing as much as most full, brand new games. I could buy Spider-Man 2 on PS5 at launch physically for that. For the price of 1 asset in another game. Complete bullshit. Speaking of PoP again. After all the shit around Lost Crown Ubisoft have just sent me an email about how great PoP is. Tone deaf cunts ( I know it was just probably an automated thing but still) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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