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I want an HD remaster of Crisis Core, I loved that game.

 

Genesis can get to fuck town though. I'm really worried the Genesis stuff will get shoehorned into FFVIIR as his story wasnt resolved - he turns up in the stinger for Dirge of Cerberus.

 

I'd like an HD remaster of that too actually. 

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I think my big problem with Cloud is I can’t reconcile how someone so psychologically weak could have the fortitude to save the world. It’s like well if Zack didn’t die he would of dealt with this shit straight away.

 

And also who the fuck is Zack? CC aside when they make that reveal in FF7 it’s a very Japanese thing to out of nowhere introduce a new character that is meant to be cared about and mean something and it’s like you’ve pulled this card well too late.  This is why stories introduce their characters in the beginning while you’re still open to caring about new things. Not a million hours in and be like “Oh, and this guy” nope it’s too late. I have already locked in in the characters I care about 

 

That is something I think JRPG’s struggle with in general. Like when a game adds new party members you can use half way through the game and it’s like nope. I know the characters I like now, leave them be

 

Random lunch time rant over 

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JRPGs struggle a lot with storytelling in general. Mass Effect had no problem introducing memorable characters in the third game despite also giving you the option to take fan favorites from the first game with you on missions. And that's simply because Mordin, for example, is a well-written character and the game allows you to spend time with him. JRPGs only allow character interactions whenever they feel like it and while the writing is usually uber-dramatic and unrealistic it's hard to see those character as relatable people. FFXII is the only big JRPG I know of that feels kind of down-to-earth in the way its characters interact with each other. Probably no coincidence that it's my favorite FF. Persona, too, maybe.

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I don't think Genesis will be in the remake. It's alleged that the whole reason we haven't seen HD re-releases of DoC and CC is due to issues surrounding Gackt's likeness in those games.

 

So both of those are probably in the same status as Star Wars EU now

 

Spoilers I guess. 🤐

 

The Zack stuff will surely be handled a bit better here, if they're already foreshadowing it with Sephiroth's scene in the trailer. I don't think it was even that bad in the original anyway. Yeah Zack is just a cipher for the ideal version of who Cloud really wanted to be. But that whole reveal was the best story moment of the game and I think it's why Cloud works for people. He faked it until he made it.

 

 

Blakey will hate all these spoilers but he had 22 years to catch up 🤠

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The best moment for me with Cloud is when it’s him and Tifa when they are young and they sitting on top of the water tank (?) And he’s talking about going off and joining soldier. Actually that might be my favourite scene in the game. 

 

I think it’s why I dislike the idea of Zack so much because it’s like oh those moments weren’t even yours and you’re not the guy Tifa likes. It’s like when you had a friend that was awesome and then you make new friends and they think you’re awesome and then the awesome friend comes back and everyone forgets you

 

Or something

 

It’s like fuck off Zack

 

But then Cloud makes it worse because he pretends to be he’s awesome friend and it’s like oh this is why they forget you you’re a weirdo

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Tifa never really knew Zack. Zack lived in Gongaga which is the place that got Chernobyl-ed. Zack isn't even really a character so much as a plot device, at least not until Crisis Core.

 

The only fake stuff is Cloud's memories of SOLDIER.

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No Zack goes to her town and she meets him and gets horny for him. Then because Cloud is a weirdo he pretends that was him later. That’s why there’s a bit in FF7 when Tifa says to him “There’s things you remember that you shouldn’t and things you don’t remember that you should” or something because he put himself in Zack’s shoes. She’s like “How do you know that?” And the answer is because Cloud is wackadoodle 

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None of that happened. Zack and Tifa are close to strangers.

 

You might be thinking of Aeris, or maybe you are suffering the effects of mako poisoning.

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Yep, Zack and Aeris knew each other. Tifa only knew Zack in passing during the trip to Nibelheim.

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Go to the true story part and it says that Tifa and Zack has this whole adventure against Sephiroth. How you say they barely met?

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18 minutes ago, Maf said:

No Zack goes to her town and she meets him and gets horny for him.

 

Is what you said. She was the party guide in Nibelheim, nothing more. There was no "whole adventure together". They both independently confronted Sephiroth. Zack even ran past her body to fight him. 

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I’m pretty sure in that conversation her and Cloud has in the trippy life stream scene that is where she says that he is getting mixed up with Zack because Cloud remembers doing all that shit in Nibelwhatever and she’s like “No, dork”. 

 

And I stand by what I said she was all over Zack’s dick 

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Anyway, original point being everything to do with Zack makes Cloud lame. How did he go through one thing and freak out so much he imagined this whole other life, and then goes on to be the one to save everyone? He is to mentally weak to do so. 

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Remember why he was so weak at the point of Zack's death. They were both being experimented on. Due to that trauma, Cloud's mind collapsed and he emulated his friend, the "ideal life" he had dreamt of, as a coping mechanism.

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19 minutes ago, one-armed dwarf said:

You can stand by that all you like, you're still wrong.

 

She wanted his dick 

 

 

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Wrong again, Maf. She was denying she knew Zack to cover for Cloud's recollection of events. 

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She trying to protect him because otherwise he would know he was a background character! She remembers Zack for all sorts of reasons, mostly because she knows he was the hero of the incident and she is trying to protect her childhood friend from him remembering he’s a loser. 

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