Rikzilla Posted December 17, 2018 Author Share Posted December 17, 2018 Dude you are taking this way too seriously. To me the Zelda series has always existed in a grey area. You buy/find new equipment and magic that can be upgraded, you just gain health in a different means. The only difference between Zelda and something like Ys/Kingdom Hearts is that in those games you get exp and level up, but gameplay wise they’re practically the same. They’re all action RPG’s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maf Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 Zelda is action adventure game because you have direct control but they are long and have ‘sub systems’ that help boost your success as opposed RPG’s where levels and stats generally govern your success A grey area would be something like Dark Souls. Where I would lean on the side of action RPG because you have direct control and sub systems like armour and weapons but also levels and stats which are almost essential and for the average player will govern success 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one-armed dwarf Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 Way I see it RPG is anything with strong roots in tabletop dice-rolling RPG. Which means equipment, specialities (magic, close-quarters combat, NPC interactions using charisma or wisdom etc) and decision making. Zelda has some shared DNA but its more an offshoot of other RPG stuff. The dice-rolling isn't in there. As Maf said you've not got much control over what your player character does or become either in how he reacts to stuff or what he specialises in which is an essential facet of how DnD and its descendents operate. You find new equipment in Zelda but you always find the same new equipment. There's no player agency, it would be more like the DM always telling you what to do and what your role is. You don't decide that you want the boomerang or the ocarina, you just take it and shut up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DANGERMAN Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 I personally don't think Zelda is an rpg but the term is confused and vague as fuck. By either of the definitions posted in here either old or new God of War is an rpg, but I don't think any of us really believe it is I'd argue Yakuza is an rpg though. It's got leveling, skills, gear, encounters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one-armed dwarf Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 The edges blur with a lot of that stuff. God of War has some RPG systems in there but with that stuff you kind of have to take a step back and ask if it's a system fundamental to the overall design or if it's just kind of thrown in there. With GoW I think it's just thrown in there. I actually think the RPG stuff in GoW 2018 weakens the game and hamstrings some of the combat stuff in it. Cause it's not always easy to tell if something is designed to require investment in player skill or in making the numbers big enough to make the threat go away Although I'm a big JRPG weeb I'd argue that the western take on RPG is a truer form of the genre cause they apply it to more than just making your characters stronger. Planescape Torment made me try out DnD for real and I briefly tried to get into reading fantasy. Neither worked out but I think that's the best RPG I've ever played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rikzilla Posted December 17, 2018 Author Share Posted December 17, 2018 Sorry @spatular, the RPG police have spoken. Redo your list or go to prison. We really do need a definitive caregory to put Zelda in though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maf Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 None of the genre names really mean anything anymore. I mean look at Breath of the Wild. It’s an open world, survival, action RPG, action adventure game that’s also a bit loot driven At the end of the day you have to trust the answer in your heart. And mine is saying you’re all wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radiofloyd Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 @one-armed dwarf I really like Planescape too but do you prefer it to both Baldur’s Gate games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one-armed dwarf Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 It's all kind of a spectrum I think. Mass Effect started out with a strong RPG focus then became less RPG and more of a shooter with dialogue trees Radiofloyd I haven't played Baldurs Gate yet. I have all the infinity engine games but not got around to them all yet The laptop I have now has a horrible screen and is all busted up so it might be a while until I get on it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radiofloyd Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 Ah, I think both Baldur’s Gate games are brilliant. I would probably rank them above Planescape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellow Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 2 hours ago, RikSP said: Sorry @spatular, the RPG police have spoken. Redo your list or go to prison. We really do need a definitive caregory to put Zelda in though. And you thought I was taking it too seriously...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maf Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 Quick call the too serious police people need arresting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spatular Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 On 17/12/2018 at 10:24, RikSP said: Sorry @spatular, the RPG police have spoken. Redo your list or go to prison. We really do need a definitive caregory to put Zelda in though. yeah that's cool, i've replaced the zeldas with 1000 year door and persona 5. don't want to go to prison! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellow Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 1000 year door. Now you're talking! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radiofloyd Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 The English transltion patch for No no Kuni on the DS was completed and released in Decemeber. https://gbatemp.net/threads/ni-no-kuni-translation-eng.373770/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellow Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 @OCH. Mmm, so ff9 is top ten material? Good. That's certainly on my 2019 Switch RPG splurge list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCH Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 @bellow My personal favourite FF ever since it came out. It plays a little slow (you'll see it for yourself) other than that it is the pinnacle of the series. The only game Square made that is even close to its calibre is Dragon Quest 8. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoboticMonk3y Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 2 hours ago, OCH said: @bellow My personal favourite FF ever since it came out. It plays a little slow (you'll see it for yourself) other than that it is the pinnacle of the series. The only game Square made that is even close to its calibre is Dragon Quest 8. I played 7 first, so I have a soft spot for it, but I genuinely adore 9. 8 is hot garbage... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoboticMonk3y Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Nag said: Get out! ? I didn't like it. It just never clicked with me. I keep meaning to go back to it and give it another go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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