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Dude you are taking this way too seriously.

 

To me the Zelda series has always existed in a grey area. You buy/find new equipment and magic that can be upgraded, you just gain health in a different means. 

 

The only difference between Zelda and something like Ys/Kingdom Hearts is that in those games you get exp and level up, but gameplay wise they’re practically the same. 

 

They’re all action RPG’s.

 

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Zelda is action adventure game because you have direct control but they are long and have ‘sub systems’ that help boost your success as opposed RPG’s where levels and stats generally govern your success

 

A grey area would be something like Dark Souls. Where I would lean on the side of action RPG because you have direct control and sub systems like armour and weapons but also levels and stats which are almost essential and for the average player will govern success 

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Way I see it RPG is anything with strong roots in tabletop dice-rolling RPG. Which means equipment, specialities (magic, close-quarters combat, NPC interactions using charisma or wisdom etc) and decision making.

 

Zelda has some shared DNA but its more an offshoot of other RPG stuff. The dice-rolling isn't in there. As Maf said you've not got much control over what your player character does or become either in how he reacts to stuff or what he specialises in which is an essential facet of how DnD and its descendents operate.

 

You find new equipment in Zelda but you always find the same new equipment. There's no player agency, it would be more like the DM always telling you what to do and what your role is. You don't decide that you want the boomerang or the ocarina, you just take it and shut up.

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I personally don't think Zelda is an rpg but the term is confused and vague as fuck. By either of the definitions posted in here either old or new God of War is an rpg, but I don't think any of us really believe it is 

 

I'd argue Yakuza is an rpg though. It's got leveling, skills, gear, encounters 

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The edges blur with a lot of that stuff. God of War has some RPG systems in there but with that stuff you kind of have to take a step back and ask if it's a system fundamental to the overall design or if it's just kind of thrown in there. With GoW I think it's just thrown in there.

 

I actually think the RPG stuff in GoW 2018 weakens the game and hamstrings some of the combat stuff in it. Cause it's not always easy to tell if something is designed to require investment in player skill or in making the numbers big enough to make the threat go away

 

Although I'm a big JRPG weeb I'd argue that the western take on RPG is a truer form of the genre cause they apply it to more than just making your characters stronger.

 

Planescape Torment made me try out DnD for real and I briefly tried to get into reading fantasy. Neither worked out but I think that's the best RPG I've ever played.

 

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None of the genre names really mean anything anymore. I mean look at Breath of the Wild. It’s an open world, survival, action RPG, action adventure game that’s also a bit loot driven 

 

At the end of the day you have to trust the answer in your heart. And mine is saying you’re all wrong

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It's all kind of a spectrum I think. Mass Effect started out with a strong RPG focus then became less RPG and more of a shooter with dialogue trees

 

Radiofloyd I haven't played Baldurs Gate yet. I have all the infinity engine games but not got around to them all yet

 

The laptop I have now has a horrible screen and is all busted up so it might be a while until I get on it

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@bellow My personal favourite FF ever since it came out. It plays a little slow (you'll see it for yourself) other than that it is the pinnacle of the series. The only game Square made that is even close to its calibre is Dragon Quest 8.

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2 hours ago, OCH said:

@bellow My personal favourite FF ever since it came out. It plays a little slow (you'll see it for yourself) other than that it is the pinnacle of the series. The only game Square made that is even close to its calibre is Dragon Quest 8.

I played 7 first, so I have a soft spot for it, but I genuinely adore 9.

8 is hot garbage...

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