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The difference is in this case is those ripping off these dances as DLC are selling them directly for money. 

 

It isn't just someone doing it on the street or in a club.  And I imagine even if copyright law got involved there will be room for transformative use. 

 

But what Epic are doing is wrong and should be held accountable. 

 

Whether people think dance choreography is an irrelevant creative endeavour doesn't matter.  It obviously contributes to culture, isn't something people just "make up on the spot one day", as proof shows money is to be made from it and it should be dished out accordingly. 

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Looks like we have our Differentviews*....

 

*I'll get my coat.😵

 

 

 

 

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The Moonwalk is arguably the precise example of why this is a problem. Jackson didn't invent it, a few people did it before him, but he did it at a time when music videos were taking off and so it became tied to him, anyone else doing it would be seen as an imitation even tough it wasn't his move

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And MJ did patent the lean from Smooth Criminal, or at least the mechanism to do it live, so others couldn't do it or a similar move using the mechanism. 

 

https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=106333912&t=1542825042503

 

So it's not unheard of.  And since we live in a time when virtual versions can be sold then similar patents may be worth making. 

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Then these people should do just that, otherwise sorry, they own and are owed sweet fuck all.

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The lean is an illusion that happens to turn up in a dance. There's mechanisms in there with the shoes and stud. That's the bit that's covered.

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1 hour ago, Sly Reflex said:

For instance, do the people that invent gun safety get a payout? Those stances and firing methods you see had to be worked by someone. 

 

The old making an argument by giving an entirely overly exaggerated example tactic. Oh gosh.

 

Like @DifferentClass said though. Instead of making up their own dances ie PUTTING IN THE WORK for people to BUY WITH REAL WORLD MONEY, they blatantly stole them. You’d only need to employ a choreographer for a weekend ffs.

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Are you saying those people don't deserve money for contributing? You are an animal, that stuff was stolen from them!

 

People aren't going to buy the dances that aren't recognisable. That's why these things are big, they recognise the dance and buy off the back of it.

 

Seriously though. This case has no leg to stand on. Legally a movement cannot be covered, no matter how distinct it is. That's the end, you can argue all you want on how it's wrong, it doesn't stop them from being legally in the clear.

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I don't think I'm disputing the legality of it as of now.  But as the entertainment industry shifts and changes with technology the laws need to change, too. 

 

Maybe this one is overdue. 

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Yes they don’t have a leg to hop on. You don’t have to be sir legality phd to know that. But it’s still a bit off like I said not to even acknowledge the OG.

 

Not sure how many fortnite players were hankering for a dance from a show 10+ years old tho. 

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I thought The Floss was an original dance for Fortnite but looking it up even that is taken from a comedy social media character that went viral enough Katy Perry adopted it and got them on stage during SNL. 

 

It makes me wonder about the actual legality of it.  Like, you never get proper famous dances in games, only the meme-y ones that don't have the same backing. 

 

It stinks, man. 

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Does it though?... does it really.

 

I'd put a fair bet on the fact that most of these kids spending REAL MONEY on these emotes have no idea and care even less where they originated from.

 

Seems to me like people looking for a free payday.

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I’ve split this into its own thing, cos it seemed worthwhile.

 

My own tuppence, certainly seems morally dubious to not give some kind of credit where due. It’s not like it could be considered fair use where it’s parody or given for free.

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45 minutes ago, Nag said:

I'd put a fair bet on the fact that most of these kids spending REAL MONEY on these emotes have no idea and care even less where they originated from.

 

That doesn’t make it ok at all. My gf has no idea when she’s listening to a cover or watching a remake but you know they’ve paid money to the original creators to do so. 

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And that goes back to the "copyright that shit" argument... songs are owned by someone, dance moves aren't.

 

You want to trademark or copyright dance moves? Good luck to anyone trying to make a stage show or music video ever again.

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Apparently there is some precedent for this:

 

https://lawstreetmedia.com/issues/entertainment-and-culture/owns-dance-complexities-copyrighting-choreography/

 

One of the most beloved routines from the last hundred years has been the choreography in West Side Story. The moves are iconic to those in the know. However, it is also a work that many try to steal or emulate–and the copyright owners are watching. In a recent season of Dancing with the Stars, one of the pros tried to recreate the choreography. However, they couldn’t use any of the iconic moves. If they did so, it could have caused ABC some major problems. What resulted was a dance that reflected the style of the musical, but didn’t use the same routine.

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@Nag Well like I’ve said. 4 times. I’m just about giving credit where’s credits due. If they were modern obvious moves from popular culture that’s one thing. But this is searching YouTube and copying then not giving any credit in game or by communication on any one of the social media platforms. 

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Well I'm glad you feel so passionately about it... me personally, whatever... it's not like these people whinging are short of a penny or two.

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1 hour ago, Nag said:

 

I'd put a fair bet on the fact that most of these kids spending REAL MONEY on these emotes have no idea and care even less where they originated from.

 

Doesn't matter if they know where it comes from, it comes from a place where the originators aren't getting some kind of credit.

 

We're going over and over.  I have no idea why anyone would be against applying credit where it's due.  It's not a free payday.  If it's so easy then come up with a dance that is good enough to go viral.  You have a day, by your own reckoning of what it takes.

 

All I see here is the absolute lack of understanding of the form.  Coming up with a good dance is as easy and as hard as coming up with an iconic melody.  You would never get away with blatantly copying an iconic melody.

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1 hour ago, DifferentClass said:

You would never get away with blatantly copying an iconic melody.

 

No, because this is copy-writable. West Side Story as a whole is copy writable. Doing the MC Hammer dance, or the Usain Bolt pose or moonwalking or any of the other shit isn't.

 

When a rapper composes a song the copyright covers the song and that's it. It doesn't cover what he's doing with his hands or feet.

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