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Haven't watched the video but 700 bucks without a disc drive – which you might presume a lot of people would want to have in order to continue using their disc-based games after upgrading – is pretty nuts. I realise it's the economics of things right now but I wonder how big the audience will be that sees the point in buying it. I suppose Sony did manage to sell the Portal to people even though it's just a shittier version of the WiiU Gamepad, but I wonder if this Pro model will even push beyond a 5% share of overall PS5 hardware sales/install base when all is said and done.

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11 minutes ago, one-armed dwarf said:

That list reminds me how annoying console upgrades are. Leaving out the (hugely significant) cost factor when talking about pc upgrades, it sorta feels like consoles inherit the annoying part of performing upgrades without the benefit of it enhancing everything you own automatically. It all has to be selectively enhanced, using visual and performance settings that might not even be what you want

 

Tho honestly the price of this is already hitting mid tier GPU prices so it would be interesting to compare performance against a 4070/5070, cause that might just be a better option all round maybe


I think the new GPU will be closer a 30 series card. But again if this upscaler is amazing it will close the gap so much between console and PC. I don’t think most console gamers care about every setting or breaking 60fps. They just want 60fps with good image quality. Which sounds like exactly what the Pro is designed for. It won’t compare to a 40 series card, but it doesn’t have too, and at £700 it would still be much cheaper than getting one

 

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My point is if they are appealing to people who are somewhat enthusiast about GPU performance then it should still be priced competitively and the 40 series encompasses much more than the 90 cards which arent really a normal outlay. It's high enough that it would be worth looking at how nvidia price the 70 and maybe 60 tiers, especially with the value limits of a pro console

 

So it really should be compared with what happens in nvidias products as well, cause the more casual appeal here might not be that strong

 

Like the 30 series cards also encompasses stuff like the 3050 and the 3090. It's a whole product line with very different asks

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I’m not saying it shouldn’t be compared but when it doesn’t perform as well as a 4070 (presuming it won’t), I think that’s Ok. It doesn’t have to have frame gen and all that, it just needs to make 60fps a standard in console gaming again like it was 4 years ago. That’s why the video starts with talking about graphics quality/performance options. This is the bridge they’re trying to cross with the Pro. Not make it top of the range PC-like. That comparison can be made, but doesn’t seem like what they’re trying to achieve here.
 

A quick Google says a 4060 card is about £300. Less than I expected tbh. But that’s one component. Even though £700 is costly, and I’m not trying to justify it at all it’s a mad price for a console, it still seems cheaper and simpler compared to a PC. 

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10 minutes ago, Snaggletooth said:

Problem is at that price when do even the hardened fan boys turn around and say screw it ill get a pc


According to my Twitter £700 is the exact number for that to happen

 

I’m not against PC I use mine all the time. But I just don’t think looking at the price and saying “just get a PC” is a straight comparison. I still think PC gaming is more expensive upfront and is more complicated and less reliable than what console gamers want. And the only way to simplify it is to throw money at it which of course defeats the purpose.

 

Having said that, it’s hard to look at this thing and the price point and understand where it’s supposed to fit or who it’s supposed to please 

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I think my point was missed. Although it's not one everyone would agree with for good reasons. But what I was meaning is that I think the way Sony are pricing this indicates that they are targetting a sort of player where their Venn diagram probably has significant overlap with people who do have a PC. And a ps5 for that matter. But the former group in particular has looked at prices like this in the past and said "yes, I will do this to run Witcher 3 at 90fps"

 

They are, imo, presenting this as an upgrade to people who take performance in games very seriously (too seriously?), regardless of platform. It is coming in at a time when the PC value prospect is also getting thrown into question by inflated prices. Imo this is quite a lot like a GPU upgrade in that sense, purely by Sony's apprent strategy here. Even if it is likely that there are many without a PC looking at this as well

 

Which is why I think it does need to be competitive. 

 

That is my perspective on it at least.

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I think I say for most console gamers when the point of trying to sell the console is people throwing around various PC gpu cards as comparisons you've pretty much lost the target audience... I don't mind admitting I have no fucking clue what a 4010 or whatever is or if it's good or not.

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Hands on preview 

 

https://www.cnet.com/tech/gaming/exclusive-hands-on-i-played-sonys-all-new-ps5-pro/
 

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CNET - PS5 Pro Hands On Exclusive cnet.com/tech/gaming/ps…

-PlayStation Spectral Super Resolution will work on PSVR2 games in the future 
-Planned 40-50 games with PS5 Pro upgrades at launch, focusing on 4K/60FPS upgrades along with graphic boosts
-PS5 Pro could spark a range of extra gaming modes (Cerny has seen games with 3 different PS5 Pro modes)

-over 25% of PS5 owners own 120-FPS capable TVs / around 1 in 10 players have variable refresh rate TVs

-"Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth in particular popped compared to the fuzzier graphics on the existing PS5 version. Everything was sharper, and still 60fps smooth. It felt like putting new glasses on."
-Gran Turismo 7 includes 8K mode and a 4K mode with ray-tracing

 

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Reading Twitter the PS5 Pro price point has placed it in the perfect no man’s land between PC players saying “at that price, might as well get one of these” and console gamers going “why does it cost more, it looks the same”

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I'm kind of glad it's so expensive because it means I can't talk myself in to buying one, and I know I would have done if it was £500ish (I've got a broken PS5 I'm getting repaired I could have sold/traded) 

 

This for me rules out a new PlayStation in 2 years. The PS5 has been out 4 now? It's barely dropped in price. 2 years from now this thing isn't likely to be £500, so a new console is going to take the £700 price tag and be barely more powerful, maybe a better CPU. I don't know, feels like the longer the better for this generation, particularly as we're only just starting to see the previous one being phased out 

 

One thing that is clear though is that the consoles really are just pcs in uglier cases now, so maybe Microsoft and Sony lean in to cheaper consoles and then premium consoles (handheld, and beefy), but given how many people waited on the PS5 because of price, I don't see a more expensive console taking off now or in a few years 

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Comparing it to the PS3, a system so expensive people were told to go get second jobs for because it was so good.

 

I honestly cannot fathom what the fuck they were thinking.

 

With prices like this, how long do you think consoles have before people are like fuck this noise and just don't bother with them at all?

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