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That's a massive can of worms right there, Dangerman.

From how I understand it, a true 1080p picture upscale to a true 4k display shouldn't be stretched at all... The pixel density is divisible by 4.

I still wouldn't get one though.

That's a good point, does that mean on a 4k each pixel from a 1080p image is getting upscale by x4?

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not stretched as in changed shape, stretched as in blown up. The Wii comparison is what I was getting at, or when you blow up a picture in photoshop because you can't find a larger one. Or watching SD tv on a HD tv I guess

where you had, say 2 pixels before now you have 8 (or whatever), so something that was pinpoint is now blurrier. If the pixel density is large enough it might not matter, but then you also wouldn't see any benefits either

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That's more to do with the picture being displayed on a stupid big size rather than it being in 1080p on a 4k set. If you don't get a hypersize tv then you're not going to notice any image degradation. You will notice an improvement in fidelity if you input a 4k source though, such as a PC game that supported that resolution.

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Exactly, like I said

Don't get me wrong, I'm not against 4k, I just think at the minute it's cart before horse. Same reason I went for a monitor with better refresh rather than more pixels

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You're going to have to take alot more than just resolution numbers into account in any case... Screen size and viewing distance are probably just as important.

Me personally, instead of spending a grand on a sucky 4k tv I'd sooner spend that grand on a awesome 1080p set. 4k is a long way off from being included in standard broadcasting.

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Me either, there'll come a point where we make that jump and 1080p will look like 480p, but I can't see that being for a long time mainly because it costs an absolute fortune to make sets that look nice in 1080p. I mean sports and stuff that isn't scripted and directed is a shoe in, but anything that is designed to be looked at production costs would go through the roof, that includes videogames. Like you say, refresh rate along with better contrast and viewing angles are more important now. It's the better pay off for the inputs we have now.

There's nothing really to drive sales of 4k as it stands now. I think the 360 and PS3 drove HDTV sales into a lot quicker uptake than they would have been if it wasn't for gaming hobbyists buying into it there probably wouldn't have been the surge there was. I can't see those events repeating anytime soon. I'm surprised at the update of the current consoles as it is, it's not like there's a lot of money in peoples pockets to be throwing on luxuries like them.

EDIT: I agree with Nag as well, viewing distance has a lot to do with it, since most houses in the UK aren't very big most people that buy these 4k sets won't be sat directly on top of the bastards like most of us plebs in normal sized houses.

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I don't think that 4k is something really to worry about for now.

You can prove this to yourself by watching a really badly compressed tv channel.

You look at it and go "oh, man, that looks like it's playing off a VHS", then 5 minutes later, your brain just kinda ignores it. The same is true moving up to a true 1080p signal, it looks crisp and sharp for about a minute, then it just looks normal.

I'd pick a tv with a low input lag over a tv that goes up to 4k

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/kdl42w705b-201402233639.htm

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I'd back that up, I often walk to PC world/Currys and the Samsung 4k looks nice for the loop of F1 footage, and the sweeping footage of rolling hills looks crisp/sharp, but when they're playing blu-rays, it just makes it easier to see the joins.

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That's generally because they haven't set the TV up correctly... Adding any of these post processing things to the picture (smooth scan and the like) gives blue rays the 'soap opera' effect... Some people like it, I fucking hate it.

And I disagree whole heartedly with Monk3y on the idea of watching a sd broadcast and forgetting it looks wank after 10 minutes... It looks wank full stop, you either put up with it or stop watching.

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Cheers all that's all I wanted to know, if it's not beneficial then I will stick to a 1080p as my next one, just won't get another plasma!

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I commented ages ago about watching The Shield and how it was in SD and it drove me nuts on how shit the quality was. It looks grimy as fuck now, I'm surprised it took us so long to move on from film quality like that.

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The advice I normally give is to go to www.hdtvtest.co.uk search by what is to you, the most important criteria (like I mentioned in an earlier post, I'd pick the tv with the lowest input lag)

You can also sort by type and or size if you're after something a little more specific.

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Nice one @mr lakitu, my parents recently got one of these: LG 49" 4K SUHD Dolby Vision TV for their new conservatory.

 

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I did the research for them and seriously considered Hisense as they are incredible value for money (and they sponsored Euro 2016 which meant I thought they were a brand known enough in Europe to recommend to my parents) but ultimately the lack of HDR/Dolby Vision (vague promises of it being available in a future firmware update), worries about the 'Smart' features and my parents being a bit snobby because they didn't know the Hisense brand very well ultimately led me to the LG that I picked out for them, it came with a free sound bar too (worth £150) 

 

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so that was definitely a sweetener to the deal.

 

Didn't want them to have to buy another TV in a few years time if/when HDR/Dolby Vision becomes prevalent.

 

They're very pleased with the decision, watching 4K, HDR and Dolby Vision content with them through Netflix/Amazon Video is just incredible, watching Stranger Things with them and the images look absolutely insane, like real life, colour pops amazingly too.

 

The 'Magic Remote' is awesome too, it works like a Wii Remote in that you point it at the screen and see a little cursor pop up, all the apps are all loaded onto the 'Web OS 3.0' interface which has things like Amazon Video, Netflix, YouTube, Spotify, a Web Browser etc. on it and you use the remote's cursor to select them on the fly, it's really rather clever.

 

They're getting Sky Q installed next week too so Premier League footy in 4K from Friday :wub:

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Haha, nah the Hisense is great value for money and if you just want a TV that does 4K very well you can't go wrong :D

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Yeah please do, I'm intrigued as to what it'll be like.

 

Make sure you upgrade your Netflix account to 4K glory-level as well ;) 

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What connection speed do you need to stream 4k stuff?

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Cool, don't think I'd bother paying the extra either...

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